Fearing burnout, I have:

- managed to removal all social media except mastodon,
- forwarded all me emails to 2 email addresses one of which I shall only look at weekly,
- deleted a load of apps off my phone that were taking up mental space,
- deleted a load of bookmarks to make surfing site just that little bit more difficult.
- take breakfast coffee outside whatever the weather
- more walking
- re-trying to meditate, I find this difficult

What else can I do?

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@MinimalClick make a fixed schedule for your working hours and your free time, if you haven't already done that. Schedule rewarding activities for the end of your shift before you start working.

@schratze I don't reward myself for anything at the moment so maybe I should try that too. I have a definite work break and then do a play time schedule, but it just turns into feeling like work, etc...

@MinimalClick I do occasional gardening, which takes my mind off of computer things but is still productive.

Also my Twitter account nuked itself, so that's one less thing to be concerned with. The absence of stress from merely reading a Twitter timeline is noticeable.


that's interesting to know. I really like twitter and follow a bunch of interesting people, but I'd love to see what sort of mental change there is getting rid of that.

And I do have a garden, well a wilding full of flowers. I could take a poke at that.

Maybe have an eye on caffeine consumption, @MinimalClick, I've seen a lot of anxiety arise from trying to cope stress with coffee or energy drinks.

@moss that's a good call. I do have a lot of coffee. Perhaps I should resort back to tea.

@MinimalClick what are you burning out on? too much work? too much technology? i'm having problems with too-much-internet and i find it most useful to have plenty of other things to do, instead of "just" trying to avoid my laptop and phone. something you can get lost in, like a good book or a hands-on crafty project. other ideas: good sleep hygiene, moving your body regularly (whatever is safe for you), you mentioned some ND stuff so maybe a sensory diet if it's more the ASD variety?

@0lvr I think you're right. There seems to be a lot of unnecessary input for me at the moment. I have work ATM and think I'm still getting over job losses, coves world problems, as well as recent MH diagnosis on top of trying to learn new things ALL THE TIME.

SO yes, I think all good advice and I have a bunch of books I need to read. I just need to shuffle my priorities and lifestyle around. Thanks for the insights!

@MinimalClick make sure the books and other stuff is much more accessible/available than the draining things (although you've already minimized those a lot, so - halfway there)

@0lvr good call. I'm going to make sure that phones and laptops are in the other room so it's slightly more difficult to access. Although I do get great pleasure in tinkering with computers in my own naive way.

@MinimalClick nature! nature is important. You can stay in contact with nature via gardening, taking a walk in the woods or anything, but stay in contact with nature because it helps to relax and to get some perspective of life.
Strength exercises are really cool too, specially if you are a man.

@ekaitz_zarraga I could do a bunch of walking more that I am now, I try and run 5-10K twice a week, but sticking to schedules I find REALLY difficult. But there's a river nearby and some trees so I could spend more time around them. Thanks for the reminder!

@MinimalClick I do find superhard to stick to schedules that's why I try to help myself. I do strength training with a coach (is not as expensive as it seems nowadays) so I find easier to keep my schedule (there's another person involved). I also try to go out when there's some sun... around mid day. It breaks my working time but my health is so broken I have no other choice.

@MinimalClick BTW:

I've been in constant pain for 4 years, stressed for more than 6 and depressed for so long I don't even remember. Take care of yourself, all this things add up and destroy your life quality. I know what I'm talking about.


man that totally sucks. Anything I can do to help?

@MinimalClick Remember to take care of yourself. So all my suffering has served a purpose!

I'm getting better with all the things I'm doing now so it looks I can fix it!

@ekaitz_zarraga oh that sounds really positive. Good luck with continuing that.

(also: really like you R&D company you're growing -- I have similar thoughts, though mine are slower). 👍🏼

@ekaitz_zarraga interesting about the strength training. I might have a place down the road which I could look at. Have trouble being told what to do though, so I might have to bodyweight it alone.

@MinimalClick Lifting weights or doing some isometrics, calisthenics or anything will work. All that is going to make you produce testosterone, reduce stress and make your muscles and bones stronger. All that is great for your short and long term health.

Also it's going to reduce the risk of injury from all the hours you spend in front of the computer which we all know they are more than you should 😜

Perhaps pick up an instrument, or go back to one you played before?

I play guitar, and I find it satisfying just holding one sometimes. I deeply enjoy making and discovering sounds, even if they are not musical.

Of course, learning music is very rewarding.

@CosmicTortoise I've played guitar for years and years and years, I just don't have the passion for it any more. Recently got a keyboard too, but again the lack of passion. Which I think might actually be a deeper problem.


Yes, guitar is just what I am used to, and I am becoming a bit more familiar with keyboard.

On the other hand, there are literally hundreds of distinct instruments, it is a shame how stripped down our exposure to most of them are.

Anyways, I get you. I have had years where I wasn't at all interested in music.

No way you should feel bad about it, there are countless ways to spend you time, music does not need to be part of it.

@MinimalClick Volunteer to move furniture.
Run for president so you can ban heavy furniture.

@MinimalClick A lot of people recommend gym routines, but it's a waste of money tbh when you can do heavy lifting for free - or even get paid for it if you're lucky.
Don't skip leg day ofc, ride to work.
I'm still figuring out how to incorporate core strength training into my regular activities.

I am pretty sure I have mentioned this to you before, and I think it is time to recommend it again: Finite and Infinite Games by James P. Carse.

It may not solve burnout, but it will definitely give you a different perspective on why you choose to do the things you feel compelled to do, and may inspire you to take on whole new projects that make you feel more joy.


I am due for a reread myself. Gave my copy to my uncle. That monkey still hasn't read it.

(Yes, I am a monkey's nephew!)

@CosmicTortoise that may be just the trick. I'll see if I can hunt down a copy and give me something to read whilst I'm avoiding sources of burnout. Thanks!

@neauoire @CosmicTortoise

bought. (from NotAmazon) Thanks for the recommendations.

@neauoire @MinimalClick

It has been awhile since I read it. I gave my copy away to my uncle, who is really into spiritual things and philosophy, I figured he would like it.

I think the last chapter was the most revelatory to me. It vindicated a lot of the things I had opposed in my life, especially religion.

Anyways, like all revelations, the clarity fades, and normalization creeps in, and the lessons are slowly forgotten, unless internalized.

I will get back to you when I reread it.

@neauoire @MinimalClick @CosmicTortoise I like what I've read about it at second hand (mostly from

When I tried to read it myself, though, I found it too enigmatic/delphic. It was often not clear what he was talking about. I'd really appreciate an orientation or exegesis with examples that would help me get more out of it.

@akkartik @MinimalClick @CosmicTortoise skip the first part, and start at the second chapter, you can return to re-read the beginning when you understand what the book is about :)

@akkartik @neauoire @MinimalClick

The first part really is just Carson setting up terminology, if I remember well. I don't think the concepts are too complex, but I guess he was making distinct what constitutes a finite or infinite game in the ways he knew how.

It really does get more fascinating the further you go. I don't remember him using any complex language.

The book is also super short. It is something that can bring in a renewed sense of motivation without taking up a lot of one's time.

@CosmicTortoise @neauoire @MinimalClick I don't remember where I got this (and whether I created it myself) c. 2014, but you might like this text file:

You'll need to install the `fortune` command:

Then you can `fortune infinite-game.fortune` to emit a random epigram from the book.

It seems too short. Maybe I did this for just chapter 1?

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