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Well, last night's thread sure was (and continues to be) a wild ride.

I'll be blunt here: please believe me that I'm experiencing problems frequently enough to make me not like this place. And **please** try to understand how a repeated onslaught of suggestions on how I myself need to solve those problems doesn't give me much solace.

If I have to be responsible for managing this with whatever tools or strategies you throw at me just to be here happily, that's not something I need in my life.

Please feel free to tell me to pound sand. I don't need to be here, and "successful YouTubers" is hardly a marginalized group.

But also understand that I *want* to be here. I'm not leveraging this platform to spread my videos, I'm here to offer a way for people to connect with me. And I'm here to have fun.

At this point I need to self-censor a /lot/ to keep it fun. I'll try that for a while, but it's a damn shame I need to do it.

@TechConnectify As someone with a similar number of followers, I’ve been using the same technique I used on Twitter for the ~16 years I was there: carefully managing my follow list, muting people who bother me, and blocking jerks. Overcoming the feeling that I “shouldn’t” do so much muting/blocking (and overcoming the urge to reply to people I should really be muting or blocking) was key to my Twitter happiness. Oh, and I use a good third-party client app, of course: Twitterrific then, Ivory now

@siracusa This is something I'm just going to disagree with then. I never had to engage in much muting or blocking at all on Twitter.

Now I don't think I had the following that you did on Twitter, but it was bigger than the following I have here.

The automated filtering that Twitter did worked very well for me. And maybe some of my experience comes from the fact that I only joined in 2018. It was probably a lot better then than it was in years prior.

But that's missing here.

@TechConnectify Yeah, being on Twitter since 2007 and never using the first-party client definitely gave me a different experience. I built up my defenses and overall system over years and years. Again, worth it for me, but there’s probably no shortcut for it. If I had joined Twitter in 2018, boy, would things have been different for me!

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@siracusa I guess what I'm getting at then is that Twitter did have that shortcut by 2018.

I don't think there's a reason that shortcut couldn't exist on this platform other than people generally are averse to any kind of automatic filtering or algorithms

@TechConnectify Yeah, that would definitely help. The pace of change is a lot slower here (mostly because I don’t think the funding situation is currently sufficient for a task of this scale). I’m still waiting patiently for quote-tweets! I do have some faith in the overall *willingness* to evolve, but the time and execution level are still big question marks.

@TechConnectify Here's a free idea for the Mastodon client you're never building, @siracusa: Make it have two payment tiers, where the most expensive one has a bunch of features tailored to make life easier for people with 10k+ followers. 🙂

@TechConnectify @siracusa someone could definitely build a client that does this client-side in a way that totally aligns with the values here, it’s just that nobody has yet. There have been efforts to better accommodate people like yourself with more centralized efforts, but those seem to always end up being pretty problematic due to that power going to people’s heads and amplifying their biases against certain groups or behaviors. Some referred to them as HOAs and that’s probably pretty apt.

@TechConnectify @siracusa Ideally all it would take is an independent group to implement filtering as an add-on available to instances — it doesn’t need “official” Mastodon support. But I don’t know of anyone actually working on such a service/feature.

I know I’m not alone in saying your presence would be sorely missed here.

@TechConnectify I know you’ve said in other parts of this discussion that you don’t want to hear about other instances and stuff, but that shortcut of automated filtering that Twitter has really comes down to effective instance moderation here.

I think there could definitely be an instance for you that will be a lot more helpful with preemptively filtering out the bullshit but I also definitely understand not wanting to to put in more effort again.

I’d definitely miss your posts!

@TechConnectify @siracusa my thought is that being averse to algorithms that prioritize engagement and ads might be healthy, but the techno-Luddite-ism here around algorithms of any kind is a sure way to guarantee that your social content-generation enterprise can never scale up or gain any traction with the wider public.

@nbomb @TechConnectify @siracusa
same goes with “smart” shit at homes
The techno addict will have all sorts of consumer electronics voice assistants and the like
The engineer will have none of that, and a gun close to the printer in case it starts acting up
@TechConnectify @siracusa I think that the automatic filtering should be something that the users or instances could install for themselves, rather than something done network wide. Just like with email, you can use a package that checks your inbox and moves things to a spam folder, make something that checks your fediverse/mastodon/pleroma/etc notifications and tosses any that fail some criteria you setup in the package. Mastodon needs someone to make a SpamAssassin equivalent for the big personalities on the services.