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@dysfun @TechConnectify @JustinH if I understand the problem, imagine every time you made a post you got thousands of replies, some of which you'd like to interact with, but a significant number of them are from accounts you've never interacted with on random other servers that are borderline abuse.
No amount of moderation on your server instance can address this problem, because your server is doing nothing wrong.

@dysfun @TechConnectify @JustinH what is being asked for (I think) is to first recognise the problem. This thread shows that this is far from happening.
Second you need some tools and policies to filter the poor behaviour. Less than a ban, but more than "don't look at messages that are addressed to you, that might upset you"
At least I think that's what is being asked for.

@cbehopkins @dysfun @JustinH exactly. One thing that I've just realized is that, when we compare this platform to email, subject lines are effectively content warnings. I don't go to my inbox and see every email that's been sent to me, I see a list of content warnings.

Here, though, it's as if I open my inbox and am reading every single email.

Social media is a different beast from email. A feed full of content warnings is tedious and boring. But there has to be filtering.

@TechConnectify @cbehopkins @dysfun @JustinH I want this platform to work for folks like you, so I'm trying to wrap my head around this. I assume that the volume of block requests you would have to submit is unworkably high, not that your instance is ignoring your block requests? For instance, we're quick to block accounts that are aggressively annoying our users, but we're only like 5 users with the most followed having under 5k followers, so we only get about 1 request/wk.

@holly @cbehopkins @dysfun @JustinH On the bird site, this sort of stuff was just... not a thing I ever had to do.

I blocked maybe half a dozen people and muted perhaps a dozen.

The sort of behavior that's bothering me here simply didn't cross my feed on twitter /because they had automated systems to detect it/ and it was hidden.

I'm really asking for a jerkwad detector - not for a means of recourse when I encounter jerkwads. Because, frankly, not much of what they do merits real moderation.

@TechConnectify @holly @cbehopkins @dysfun @JustinH can you define the jerkward behaviour? We don't get to see all the replies you get on a toot cos of federation weirdness. I'm trying to better understand the behaviour you're trying to block.

@quixoticgeek @holly @cbehopkins @dysfun @JustinH A lot of it is hard to define - and it evolves over time. That's why we desperately need some way for the *crowd* to be able to push back on bad behavior, but the very Fedi weirdness you talk about is a major barrier there.

In my eyes, the moderation that people advocate for here is the last-resort option. I've not taken it because so far nothing has crossed that particular line.

But I'm exposed to jerks all. the. time.

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@quixoticgeek @holly @cbehopkins @dysfun @JustinH To be sure, some of it happens when I touch on hot-button issues here (how dare you say something nice about YouTube!!!!).

But other times, my post comes across a weird nerd who can't help themselves from replying with something insulting. And while I'm smart enough to know they may not be trying to be insulting, simply being exposed to it affects me in a negative way.

Filtering and etiquette are what's needed here.

@TechConnectify @holly @cbehopkins @dysfun @JustinH I take it a block on all content starting with "well actually" isn't enough of a start :p

I feel your pain. I don't know what to recommend. I am very grateful that I have great instance admins who have defederated whole instances within a matter of minutes when I got some abuse.

@TechConnectify @quixoticgeek @holly @cbehopkins @dysfun @JustinH

Thank you for the above post, helped me contextualise something I was struggling with.

And for the thread in general, and your participation in it. Hope your problem gets solved, and not only due to believing it might be more universal than people think.

Also love your videos.