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@Hurgotron @jdp23 @michaelgemar @TechConnectify
The linked post doesn't miss any point.
The post is written from the perspective of a Black person. In particular, me. 
I don't care that you've never seen n*zis on your timeline. I've seen them on mine.
You're really replying that it misses the point, because it doesn't center your perspective and experience, and instead centers the perspective and experience of the person that wrote it?
Please tell me I'm misunderstanding your point here.
@mekkaokereke @jdp23 @michaelgemar @TechConnectify I don't know what you are doing to see Nazis in your timeline, but I'm only seeing stuff I follow, or others on my instance post and follow, and that happens to be not Nazis. Maybe I am wrong, but therefore it appears to be possible not to be exposed to Nazis on Mastodon. While on Twitter it seems to be impossible - I tried, with two very different accounts, and anonymously. If I missed how to do it, I'd really like to know.
@Hurgotron @jdp23 @michaelgemar @TechConnectify
I genuinely can't tell if you're trolling, or are just really, really, slow on the uptake. I'm going to assume good faith, (which is the explanation that you're just not as quick on the uptake as other people).
What I'm doing to attract the Nazis, is being Black.
The Fediverse nazis like to find Black people to harass. In particular, Black women, but in a pinch, a Black guy like me will do.
also, the experience on a small instance like chaosfurs is very difference from a larger instance where, guess what, a lot of people follow Nazis and some people actually *are* Nazis. And most people are on large instances.
@jdp23 @michaelgemar @TechConnectify Well, it's one of the reasons I'm on a small instance...
@Hurgotron @jdp23 @michaelgemar @TechConnectify
Even if your questions are in good faith, I'm not a good starter Black person to be in conversation with. I can't be your 1st Black friend.
I don't enjoy talking to people who are declarative in their ignorance, ie starts from "This Black dude is missing the point!" then to "OK, tell me where I'm wrong!"
It's exhausting, and there are so many ignorant people that I would never get through the day.
Find you a "Black friend 101." That ain't me.
@Hurgotron @jdp23 @michaelgemar @TechConnectify
I wish you well on your listening and learning journey but I won't be joining you on it. So please untag me.
Good luck! 
@mekkaokereke @jdp23 @michaelgemar @TechConnectify Got it, thanks. Still interesting, because Twitter currently has rather big problems because of lack of moderation, rampant antisemitism does not get deleted, as an example. I got the impression that there's currently basically everything allowed. I've seen my share of harassment there, and would have thought it's even more of a problem for black people.
@Hurgotron @jdp23 @michaelgemar @TechConnectify
You're replacing what you *think* the Black experience would be, with *detailed, first hand, lived experience* from actual Black people?
Do you see why that's worse than simple ignorance? Ignorance is just not knowing.
I don't write my threads for people like you. That would be a big waste of time. I write them for people that don't know, but want to listen. Big difference.
Speaking of not listening, I'm muting to protect my peace. Be well!
@mekkaokereke @jdp23 @michaelgemar @TechConnectify You corrected me, and I did listen, that's why I wrote "I would have thought" because it seems to be wrong. But even after being told your experience, I would like to know what the mechanisms of the difference are. (Keeping the tag since you muted me anyway)
@Hurgotron @jdp23 @michaelgemar @TechConnectify
This information is available if you give his account a close read. There are pinned posts that I found extremely enlightening.
There will also be links to some other accounts you could follow and listen to.
I'm not gonna snitchtag anyone but the information is available.
@Hurgotron @mekkaokereke @jdp23 @michaelgemar@mstdn.ca @TechConnectify Yes, it's possible to not be exposed to nazis on the fediverse if you're white and otherwise not on their radar. If you're not 'seeing' nazis on fedi it's because they're not targeting you. Be thankful and acknowledge that you're privileged enough to not be a target for nazis, and appreciate that other people very much ARE and deal with that every day.
@welshpixie @jdp23 @TechConnectify I got that, and thanks for pointing that out, indeed this is a matter of privilege. But I'd still like to understand the mechanisms which make that more likely on Mastodon than on Twitter. I have seen organized hate mobs on Twitter, with no meaningful amount of moderation, and wonder why it should be less of an issue with racism.
@Hurgotron three are organized hate mobs on the fedivrtse too - in fact the early-2016 wave had a lot of the same people who had been kicked off Twitter, and since then they’ve brought their friends. And most large Mastodon instances don’t have meaningful moderation (for that matter neither do many small Masto instances) so that’s most people’s experience. AND Mssto doesn’t have basic tools that Twitter does, like limiting replies or taking profiles private etc. @welshpixie
@Hurgotron @welshpixie @jdp23 @TechConnectify
I can't find the link where I saw this, but on Twitter you can not only block a user but also their followers, to stop them from swarming even if the original account has been dealt with. You can also soft block your own followers if they are there only to harass you (they don't know you blocked them but they don't see your new posts).
Mastodon doesn't offer the former. I've heard about the latter but I'm not sure it works as well.
Good point. It's not built-in to Twitter, but there are apps like Block Chain that let you do this (or least used to, I don't know if they still work after Elmos's changes). SuperBlock let you block everybody who liked a Tweet. I don't know of any Mastodon equivalents.
People aren't notified on Mastodon when you block them, so if you block and then unblock somebody it removes them as a follower -- similar to Twitter I think.
@drukac @Hurgotron @welshpixie @TechConnectify
@jdp23 @Hurgotron @welshpixie @TechConnectify
Thanks. This is why I was hoping to find a link. It's not something I've had to do, but by reading people who are targets of coordinated attacks I've learned that Mastodon doesn't have features that can provide similar protection.
Correct. Mastodon's features are very weak on this front. Block Party is another outstanding Twitter-based tool (no longer working alas) that doesn't exist here. And, Mastodon doesn't even have Twitter's basic features like turning off replies to a post or making a profile private. I wrote about this a couple of weeks ago in https://privacy.thenexus.today/unsafe-by-design-and-unsafe-by-default/ ... an upcoming post in the series will talk about steps to a safer fediverse.
@jdp23 @Hurgotron @welshpixie @TechConnectify
I also forgot to mention that on Mastodon you can change a post's privacy, and bigots have weaponised this feature. The victim may not realise at first that they are the only person seeing the barrage of hate. It may be a rookie mistake to not notice that at first, but even after learning of it there's hardly any comfort afterwards, when one's still being targeted.
@drukac Harassers certainly weaponize followers-only posts. Mastodon functionality was generally developed without any social threat modeling or other analysis about how it would be abused, so leaves lots of openings for harassment.
But can you edit a post's privacy? I don't seem to be able to on the web interface.
@jdp23 @Hurgotron @welshpixie @TechConnectify
Well, you drop all of the other people mentioned when you select "Mentioned people only", but once you do that nobody else will see it in the thread. Only the target sees it, plus any other haters which may still be mentioned to keep the crowd-sourced hate brewing.
@drukac oh i see, right, good point!
@Hurgotron @jdp23 @michaelgemar @TechConnectify So, lemme try a different tack here(after dropping Mekka)
I’ve been on Twitter since 2007. I’ve NEVER seen a Nazi post in my timeline
.
Now I can tell you why that is
, but imagine if I just told you “well, YOU must be doing something to bring them to you” or “there are no Nazis on Twitter because I don’t see them.
That’s how this sounds.
@Hurgotron @jdp23 @michaelgemar @TechConnectify unless it was reposted by someone else to point it out, get the account reported, etc.
because I have/had my Twitter controls pretty tightly set and only used third party iOS Twitter apps that granted even finer control and NEVER used the “for you” timeline.
@Wraithe I was under the impression that 3rd party clients have been dead for about a year, and besides, the view got set to "for you" automatically quite a few times, so it's kinda hard to never use it. But anyway, it is beside the point that you can hide the problem by taking extra steps - this is rather acknowledging that the problem exists.
@Hurgotron Note I NEVER said there are no Nazis on Twitter. Just because I don’t see them, doesn’t mean they aren’t there. Same with Mastodon. Just because YOU don’t see them doesn’t mean it’s not an issue. It just means it’s not an issue for YOU (because they’re leaving you alone)
I took my steps BEFORE the nazis became an issue and I never thought about my settings until people started noting there was an issue and I started wondering why I wasn’t seeing it on Twitter.
@Wraithe Good going, but still somewhat exceptional. There was just recently a bunch of advertisers pulling away from X because they don't like their ads to be displayed next to Nazi content. - Anyway, I got your point, actually I got it even before, because of the previous posts. Yes I was wrong, will shut up and read up. I was told Mekka's account has some enlightening info.
@Hurgotron Ok glad you wrote the last part, because I was neither trying to show how good I am at Twitter, nor was I trying to say that Twitter isn’t a fucking morass of hell right now(it is).
There are a ton of threads on issues that Black/queer/BIPOC (Black, Indigenous & People Of Color) had on Mastdon.
(And be utterly clear, similar crap is happening over on BlueSky as well)
I’ll see if I can turn up a couple of the threads, I’m sure I bookmarked at least a few of them.
@Hurgotron Oh and yes the 3rd party clients are mostly dead. I have one that still works but I’m mostly only on Twitter to keep my account “active” (they can have my handle when they flat out steal it from me)
@Hurgotron @jdp23 @michaelgemar @TechConnectify The mechanism by which these groups find people to harass is, I imagine, pretty simple;
Go check out hashtags for popular posts.
Basically, they’re doing the same thing that someone looking to diversify their feed would do, except that their motive is to harass the people they find.
As someone who is YT and mostly masc presenting, they’re gonna leave me alone, someone like Mekka, they target.
