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Preface: please don't tell us why we shouldn't use a smart thermostat.

I'll probably need to go on a video rant about this, but smart thermostats are rapidly getting dumber.

My folks got a new heat pump system in the spring. It needed a new two-stage thermostat and the company offered an Ecobee.

"Great!" I thought. People kept telling me Ecobee is better than Nest, and I've had major frustrations with the new Nest thermostat.

Folks. It's just bad in different but equally maddening ways.

The ONE THING Ecobee did better was holding. Y'know, the feature every programmable thermostat has had forever.

Well, in November I went on a trip with them and needed to figure out how to get the thermostat to be dumb for their house/dogsitter.

Where did the hold feature go? It appeared to be gone.

Oh? Now you have to go into the settings and tell it *how long* you want it to hold a temporary change, and one of the options is "indefinitely"

WHO THOUGHT THAT MADE ANY SENSE

Meanwhile, Nest no longer (at least with the basic ones) lets you set different schedules for heating and cooling modes.

Call me crazy, but I actually like my HVAC system to run different schedules in the heating vs. cooling season (and I NEVER let it run on "auto" mode).

You used to be able to do this! The old Nest app supported it and it made perfect sense. The Google Home app doesn't, and the new cheap Nests don't talk to the old app and IT'S ALL SO STUPID

Literally all anybody is asking for is a thermostat which can do scheduling, can be remotely controlled/monitored, and change setpoints based on occupancy.

It needs to be an easier-to-program thermostat with a few smarts on top and THAT'S IT.

Right now, they're all sliding backwards in the name of "comfort presets" or some BS and the experience of using them is much worse than a simple programmable unit.

I cannot fathom who is making these design decisions and why. It's just awful.

@TechConnectify Not to mention that they don’t often work with stages>2 heat pumps! We got a 5-stage heat pump recently and the only option was the thermostat from the manufacturer. There’s been a huge stagnation in this field.

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@parkr eh... in this case, I think having a heat pump accept five stages of input is rather ridiculous.

I think a smarter way to go about it would be for the heat pump to have an outdoor temperature sensor (which it probably does already) and do some sort of prediction of the load.

It will vary on its own with a W1 call and use W2 to mean full blast. More granularity on the thermostat itself feels silly to me