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@philip @jrconlin Right. I guess, maybe some of this has to do with the people in charge of smart thermostats not having much experience with dumb-but-programmable thermostats.

I mean, Nest doesn't even let you make it be dumb. That alone is crazy to me - what do you do when you have a house sitter?

But bottom line, it's too much. My paradigm is "run the program" and "don't run the program" with "deviate from the program until the next set point" being the only necessary mid-point.