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@jrconlin @admanC @monorailtimes Right, as far as I'm concerned, every thermostat needs a "be dumb now" option which turns it into the same thermostat everyone knows how to use. It's not going to change temperature when people don't expect, it's not going to change operating modes. It's just going to be a thermostat.

That is basically what hold does. And in my opinion, it needs to be a binary toggle. Be dumb, be smart.

Not "be smart, but also if you press these buttons, be dumb for X time"

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@jrconlin @admanC @monorailtimes also important, a toggle for hold is going to allow you to put it back to the state it was in previously in a single action. Have company over? Turn it on hold. Now it's a dumb thermostat and occupancy triggers and the schedule don't matter.

Party's over? Turn off hold. Now it's back exactly the way it was.

That's why I want it to be a binary toggle separate from all other customization. It should not change how the thermostat behaves in other circumstances.

@TechConnectify @jrconlin @monorailtimes Agreed that both Nest and Ecobee would be improved with a simple, easily-user-accessible “Hold" function. My guess is that they’ve eliminated/obfuscated this function because it allows them to pretend that they've created a thermostat that's "more efficient" than the old programmable thermostats since it’s more difficult to put it into dumb thermostat mode.