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"Miyazaki absolutely eviscerating an AI art demonstration" is my new standard for measuring how badly my presentation went
@hungry_joe so simple a reply, yet so withering.
@hungry_joe yet another reason why Miyazaki is a cherished treasure of humanity. 
@hungry_joe oh, you missed the best part! The reaction of the people doing the presentation.
The entire video is short and worth a watch https://youtu.be/ngZ0K3lWKRc
@ecn @hungry_joe @Verso I will never understand why this company chose this demo to show to Miyazaki. How can they not have understood, seeing his films to that point, that that demo would have been fundamentally offensive to him? Seriously, it's offensive in general, in so many ways and to so many groups of people, but to present THAT?! To Studio Ghibli? Motherfuckers, you need to cut down your weekly cocaine intake. Seriously.
@continuity0 I feel like the only other acceptable response would be "what exactly are you on and did you bring enough for everyone?"
@Verso But Miyazaki's well known poisons of choice are caffeine and nicotine. I don’t think they'd have anything of value to share with him. Their gambit was lost before they even offered it.
@continuity0 fair. But it's worth asking. It's rude to keep it to yourself right? (:
@Verso @continuity0 ya know, I think the real problem here is hubris. This presentation is indicative of the arrogance of the whole AI industry, and it's cathartic to see it getting called out like this.
@hungry_joe @Verso @continuity0 I'd be willing to lay a small bet that the presenters had not seen a Ghibli film. That the plan was "he runs a company, of course he wants to demote workers to AI technicians, cut wages, and make more money. Every business owner wants in on this grift!"
@continuity0 @ecn @Verso Yeah, it's incomprehensible to me. You would at least introduce it as a tech demo, and warn everyone not to focus on the character models, surely. Bad judgement of historic proportions.
@continuity0 @ecn @hungry_joe @Verso right? Exactly
@continuity0 @ecn @hungry_joe @Verso
Was it a company or a team of students on a university project?
@hungry_joe then again remember he had this type of reaction to the iPad https://www.siliconera.com/hayao-miyazakis-thoughts-on-the-ipad/ @timbray
@Aissen @hungry_joe @timbray Yeah.. this just shows the guy has gone senile. He despises everything modern just for the sake of it
@peoplearecute @Aissen @timbray Seems pretty fuckin lucid to me.
@peoplearecute I remember having a strong reaction to reading this article 14 years ago, but I wouldn't go as far.
@hungry_joe it’s great to see such low quality, ill directed research called out
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Alt text: pictures of Hayao Miyazaki, Director of Studio Ghibli, at a meeting, watching a presentation.
In the first picture someone says "this is a presentation of an artificial intelligence model which learned certain movements"
In the following pictures, Miyazaki responds with
"I am utterly disgusted. I would never wish to incorporate this technology into my work at all. I strongly feel that this is an insult to life itself.
@hungry_joe ALT text: All four images are screengrabs from a video, set in a small room, with a small crowd gathered around a screen showing a video game.
Image 1: Facing the screen, looking over the shoulder of Miyazaki. The caption reads: "Nobuo kawakami, Chairman, DWANGO, Co., Ltd. (Japanese telecommunications and media company): This is a presentation of an artificial intelligence model which learned certain movements."
Image 2: The camera moved away from the screen, now showing Miyazaki's face, captioned: "I am utterly disgusted."
Image 3: Still showing Miyazaki's face: "I would never wish to incorporate this technology into my work at all."
Image 4: Still Miyazaki: "I strongly feel this is an insult to life itself"
@computersandblues please @hungry_joe, could you update your toot with these ? I want to boost, but I won't if the toot isn't accessible to everyone.
@hungry_joe to be fair to the presenters, what is presented is grotesque and., not intended as a direct animation tool. Miyazaki seems more offended than they have not felt any empathy towards their grotesque creation, or toward any actual human that may suffer disability
On the other hand, when they suggest they want to create a machine that can draw like a human, he says he has lost all hope in humanity, and that this might be the end of times... so the OP point is uoheld in the end :)
@tmcfarlane I complete agree with your first point, but the onus is on the presenter to do a good job of introducing the footage as a demonstration of the potential of the mechanical implementation of machine learning, and the actual content should not be the focus. So they're kind of failing in a number of ways.
@hungry_joe one interesting thing here is that what they are presenting there is not new, or that hard to recreate. There have been , "creature creation", and self learning movement optimization models around for nearly 40 years. Showing that demo to actual animators feels like a bit of a scam (just assuming they are aware of the research(.
If the demo was a betrayal, the response re: drawing felt like they outright just stabbed him in the heart.
@hungry_joe miyazaki always my art compass
@hungry_joe these images need Alt text, tho 
@hungry_joe adoro a ese hombre
@hungry_joe My favorite part is the lady in the back, drinking her tea like "Yup, I warned you. Don't come now telling me I didn't warn you."
@hungry_joe I can totally agree with his opinions, as this is an insult to "art" and would not even be accepted as an early mockup in anything that has production value and/or care for the craft...
@hungry_joe @tanzureir seeing the video of this was even more hilarious. The presentation really was exactly like that "lady dance in the garden" clip with the folks running it being like "see what it can do now? Imagine what it can do soon!" unironically.
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@hungry_joe That's not "AI art" as far as I know. Read the captions, as well as what they're actually showing.