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@JorgeStolfi @hkrn

Ever tried friendica or other services from the fediverse?

@jakob @hkrn

That is one of the problems of the fediverse: its is fragmented into many more or less incompatible platforms. Few users have the time to check out more than one, or migrate between them.

The fediverse itself is a half-baked idea, poorly implemented. The old USENET worked because it had a much better overall design.

@JorgeStolfi @hkrn

In this paper i searched for
- peertube
- castopod
- friendica
- misskey
- calkey

Not one occurance.

The fediverse is in first reading a protocol, which connects all the different services.

And yes, it's work in progress.

If you are looking for one polished interface... living in front of one service owned by one billionaire... you are wrong in fediverse.

But... if you never tried the other services from this network, if you ignore it constantly and only look on mastodon... write about mastodon... a service, that ignores standards from the fediverse... (i call mastodon "the microsoft of the fediverse") then you don't know the network and it's magic.

Yes, there can be some kind of polishing in thf protocol, on some of the services, some UI/UX... but it is free from surveillance-capitalistic billionaire-owned companies, which only try to show you MORE ADVERTISINGS.

@jakob @hkrn

It is not just the user interface, it is the very basic design of the fediverse.

One of the annoying features is that the same post shows up again and again in my feed, every time someone I follow boosts it. The old USENET avoided that by keeping track - in my local machine - of the messages I had already seen. Like any email server does. But the fediverse cannot do that, because it cannot keep such memory anywhere...

@jakob @hkrn

And another fundamental flaw is that there is no standard message format. Each flavor of fediverse implement its own markup language (or not) and defines its own semantics for it. Thus one cannot in principle write a message in one flavor that would be properly readable in other flavors...

@JorgeStolfi @hkrn

Indeed, this is a problem. But the services are working on.
But still there, mastodon does it's own thing. So other services have to bend over mastodons bad behaviour.

No subject... mastodon only implrmented the note type, but not the article type of message.
Mastodon uses also note type for direct/privste message, but there is sn extra type of messagd for this defined in ghe ptotocol, and other serviced use this for dn/pn. Not so mastodon... it uses the same type for all...

@lxo

I can see that an app could keep track of the messages I have read (like the old mail and Usenet readers did). Or a centralized service like Xitter and Whatzap. But how could a browser-based AND decentralized service do it?

@jakob @hkrn

But again, that is part of the problem... I get plenty of well-meaning recommendations to switch to other instances of fediverse. But it takes time to try them, and switching will be costly in several ways...

But if friendica fixes those two bugs, I will consider switching, yes...

@JorgeStolfi @hkrn

However... this are not bad decissions of the fediverse... mastodon does this shit. showing your the same posting/comment again and again and again... this is mastodon, not fediverse.

Do you think, it is a bad design of email to check out if hotmail, gmx, gmail, proton or your self hosted exim/dovecot mailserver is best for you?
No. This are different email-providers they all are designing their own email-services... but they all are talking with SMTP to each other.

You can use always and everywhere plain ASCII-messages. They will work on every mail-service. But only anglosaxonian languages will work with this perfect... german umlauts are a pain in the ass... not talking about chinese or thai language or fonts...
And you can even send html-emails... or markdown/markup formatted emails... if the receiving service or client can interpret this... lucky you.

If you want a unified service... go to a surveillance-advertise-driven billionaire-owned company with closed protocol and proprietary software. there exist a plenty...

or choose the freedom of a free protocol and many many developers with good ideas and realizing them in code, services and UI/UX.

Btw... you can create accounts on different services. I use my password-manager to create 8-character strings for a username for this temporary accounts. There you don't crash "normal" usernames. Try this accounts, services... parallel to your acutal mastodon-account. Try to interact with your mastodon-account, try to interact with the other services and your temporary accounts... and find out, which service fits your needs best... and if you found "your service", migrate your mastodon-account to the other service.

Be curious like a child exploring a new toy or location. It's worth.

But i told you this 2 years ago... and now... we are on the same stage as 2 years ago... but you write now, "oh no, the fediverse is that baaaaaad..." and you've never realised it's only mastodon-bad-behaviour...