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@thomasfuchs @TechConnectify the Honeywell that got installed with our heat pump several years ago defaults to holding until next schedule point, which has always been fine.

I had installed my own janky replacement wiring for a previous Honeywell thermostat from Costco that didn't support trickle charging, and the HVAC installers just reused that lol.

@HunterZ @thomasfuchs okay, just to clarify because everybody's using the word "hold" differently...

Hold, to me, means you are asking the thermostat to be a dumb thermostat until you want it to not be a dumb thermostat anymore. It is a way to turn off its brains and make it ignore the schedule.

That's what that word means on non-smart thermostats. And every non-smart thermostat I have ever used does indeed "hold" a manual override until the next program point.

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@HunterZ @thomasfuchs and like, that seems obviously the correct thing to do.

That is what Nest does, except there's no way to make it stop being a smart thermostat.

Ecobee, on the other hand, makes it weirdly and needlessly complicated to make it ignore the program. They add granularity to what "holding" does and honestly I don't think anybody is asking for that.

Any unscheduled tweak is obviously going to be a temporary override to your program. Otherwise, you're gonna change the program.

@TechConnectify @thomasfuchs I've never used a Nest / Ecobee, but I always assumed that being smart meant that they would create a program for you based on your manual adjustments.

@HunterZ @thomasfuchs some do, some don't.

I don't know if ecobee has any sort of self-learning mode, but nest originally did. Then again, I would never use it. I always found that idea to be pretty strange - how do you not know what you want your thermostat to do?

@TechConnectify @thomasfuchs I imagine some people probably find traditional thermostat programming too intimidating/confusing/cumbersome, but it seems like a solvable problem with everything having LCD touchscreen displays or even apps now.