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Economy Minister Robert Habeck has for months pushed for an energy subsidy scheme, arguing that German industry faces five tough years before the transition to renewable energies bears fruit. The top Green politician has warned that, without state support, "we will no longer have industry," as companies would shift operations to countries like France or the U.S., where energy prices are much lower.
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politico.eu/article/germany-en

POLITICOGermany mulls new energy price subsidy for industriesBy Hans von der Burchard

@jackofalltrades

The panic about the economic stagnation is from the energy price shock (Russian gas disappeared) and the slow-down in China. But:

"These outside shocks have exposed cracks in Germany’s foundation that were ignored during years of success, including lagging use of digital technology in government and business and a lengthy process to get badly needed renewable energy projects approved."

apnews.com/article/germany-eco

AP News · Germany's economy struggles with an energy shock that's exposing longtime flawsBy DAVID McHUGH

@jackofalltrades

The climate community tends to bash on Germany for having reduced its nuclear fleet after the Fukushima incident.
I'm looking for an article I once read that says it is exactly that event, and Germans' willingness to pay - through the nose - for renewable energy, that helped jumpstart the nascent commercial PV market. The rest is (Chinese) history.

I'll look a little harder for that article, it's interesting.

@jackofalltrades

I take that back: in fact, German willingness to pay high prices for energy predates Fukushima. It started in 2004 when Germany introduced generous feed in tarriffs for rooftop solar.

"Germany’s deployment of wind and solar when the technologies were expensive is now widely celebrated as the reason why significant production capacity has been set up worldwide, leading to plummeting prices for the benefit of developing countries in particular."

energytransition.org/2016/01/h

EnergyTransition.org · How Germany helped bring down the cost of PV | EnergyTransition.orgA new study published by the Öko-Institut investigates Germany’s historical expenses for renewable electricity – and solar power in particular. In passing, the study highlights Germany’s contribution…

@CelloMomOnCars

BTW, I'm not sure if it's fair to say that growth of solar production has been "for the benefit of developing countries in particular".

See the attached chart.

@jackofalltrades

That has been largely an effect of redlining former colonies. If you had to pay a - very large - premium on interest on your loans, you would also have a hard time getting your industrial sector going.

I'm not arguing with the data on the chart - I'm asking why that data is the way it is, while obviously the Global South has the superior insolation.

It's a version of thinking women can't be doctors or engineers, thereby wasting the talent of half the population.

@CelloMomOnCars

We're in total agreement here. The only way to tackle is to do it equitably.

So I only wanted to point out that saying that the increased production has been "for the benefit of developing countries in particular" is disingenious. It *could* have been for the benefit of developing countries, it *should* have been, but it *wasn't*.

@CelloMomOnCars

To me it's the same argument people bring up against :

"What about the developing countries, you want to keep people in poverty, you eco-fascist!"

No, my sweet summer child, it's the so-called "developed" countries that need degrowth, that's who we're talking about.

I find that it's very often rich people propaganda that screams "think about the poor" whenever one casts doubts on their free market "solutions".

Jack of all trades

@Selena @CelloMomOnCars

Thank you for the recommendation. Need to listen to this, especially two episodes caught my eye.

"Electric Cars Will Save Us" sound like a fun time.

"You Owe Your Life to Oil & Gas" should be good to challenge my preconceptions, because I think it may be true to some extent, or at the very least it's a complicated issue.