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Will you be getting those troops from the same 'people factory' you'll be getting those builders, yeah?
How are you going to get the Youth to sign up for the Army when we all know you'll be tossed on the scrapheap of life once you're out of the Service? The State exploits us, then ignores us once we are of no use.
Waving flags and being a fan of the Royals doesn't really cut it.
@Lazarou had the chat with my son recently to find out what he would do if drafted into some war with Russia or worse on Israel’s side say. He made a great point: I’ll be there just after the politicians who’ve got us into this situation have put their own kids in the front line.
Precisely.
Oh no. We'd all defend Jews - as we'd defend anyone against colonialism, racism, totalitarianism. It's fascist genociders we're slightly taken against.
@JimmyB @Lazarou
Is that so?
Have you yet realized that you are sitting on your ass, spending time on your phone instead of going to Gaza and helping the IDF, Red Cross, etc distribute aid?
You could be doing a lot of different things to defend them, this is not one of them.
Also, given Israel is defending itself against terrorists who attempted to invade and genocide them, you should really be more supportive.
So you have absolutely no idea what I do. I have been an aid worker for over 30 years, in a wide range of capacities.
Your straw man is ridiculous: do I think chatting on here is defending people in Gaza? Did I say so?
And the suggestion that there is any legitimacy in Israel's actions just makes you a fascist accomplice.
I'd suggest you educate yourself as to what your genocidal, colonial government does and never use the word 'defend' again in relation to them
@JimmyB @Lazarou
You're using the word "fascist" to describe someone you don't like/disagree with, but the reality of that word is very different, and my family knows that quite well. Stop slandering my people. If you hate Jews so much, at least be open about it. You're British, right? If you said you were an antisemite, everyone would believe you…
No - you make a common mistake.
Fascism has some well described principles, notablyt the dehumanisation of the target population, be that Jews, gypsies, gay/trans people, Irish people, black people.
If you read Madeleine Albright's book 'Fascism' you'll get some decent education on what fascism is. Bibi's regime, and the horrible lurch to the right that Israel has experienced since the assassination of Rabin ticks every box to be called fascism.
@JimmyB @Lazarou
Here's a very clear indicator that Israel isn't (yet) a fascist state: we have free and fair elections. Another example: every Israeli, no matter what race or ethnicity, is entitled to the same social services. This include Muslims and Christians, not just Jews. Jews are sill primary citizens, since one of the major points of this country is to protect Jews from real fascist (and bigots like you), though we definetly treat our citizens like real people.
You think you have free and fair elections?
Oh sweet child of summer...
And you treat all like real people? Oh my word.
Have you thought of taking a source which include the voices of those you're including here, rather than extreme right wing propaganda?
How about thinking about what I'm saying instead of this gish gallop to avoid addressing a reality which is going, one day, to shake your foundations - if you let some facts in?
If you ask some of these 'citizens' you might here something other than Bibi sponsored fascist propaganda. The charge of apartheid has strength here.
Stop now. Seriously - this stuff is embarrassing. Are some of your friends balck/gay/trans too?
While you deny their humanity, and justify their decimation, you do not get to speak for palestinians.
I am sure you didn't notice it. Read the thread again and maybe a little light will go on for you.
@JimmyB @Lazarou
Clearly, you're a really passionate antisemite, and given the fact that you're from the UK, I suppose that's understandable. I just wanted you to understand our perspective, even if I couldn't convince you that we were right to do what we've done. I hope someday that you leave your echo chamber of antisemetic exaggerations of history. Good luck with your humanitarian work.
Out of other points to make so back to the tired old anti-semitic accusation. What a lot you have in common with Bibi.
If I am anti-semitic because I am against genocide, then
1) so are all those Jews behind whom I make my anti-genocide argument; and
2) by definition, being Jewish means being pro-genocide (or at least being pro lying about the genocide and covering for it).
I think both of those are pretty bad slurs on Jews, tbh
Nothing against Jews. Just genocide.
@Lazarou @LeyviRose no. That wouldn’t be racist at all.
When someone says that you can roll out your racism and anti-semitism accusations (again)
@JimmyB @Lazarou
Go study their religion and see what you make of it: they have this interesting thing called Jihad, which the more extreme types really seem to enjoy implementing.
Meanwhile, my religion instructs me to kill preemptively, if I am certain that otherwise the person in question will kill me. And while we have some laws somewhat similar to Jihad, they only apply under very specific circumstances, unlike Jihad's global reach.
You can see how these ideals might conflict, I hope?
@Lazarou @LeyviRose are you seriously defending massacring Palestinians because their religion is worse? I mean.. you might want to think about that argument a little bit