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Subject: On boundaries.

I’ve noticed a pattern about when I'm told I should have boundaries.

It’s that it usually seems to mean that I should have boundaries to keep out the needs and wishes of those less powerful than, or equal to, me.

A thread. 🧵

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But it doesn't usually seem to mean having boundaries against the biggest things in my life that may be harming and depleting me. 🤔

Things like institutions – one’s workplace, one’s school, one’s government, the competitive societal structure in general.

And...

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And those (now I’ve done the thread on ‘twelve ways to know when you’re exploiting someone’) who I realize are extracting something from me they need.

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Often they're the same people telling me I should have boundaries. 🤷‍♀️

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The power differential issue around 'boundaries' isn’t often considered.

The people who advise me about my boundaries aren't very interested in this aspect.

One therapist got angry when I talked about society’s power structures as my biggest problem.

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I get that.

After all, how can you have boundaries against something overwhelmingly powerful & on which you’re dependent?

You might end up alone, poor, homeless even, futureless. In prison. In the old days, in a mental institution (and perhaps sometimes, even now).

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So it doesn’t work that way around.

‘Don't look up!’... 😱

But yet – why can’t we talk about power differentials? Observe them, at least?

I’m a parent. I live among extended family. If I’m burning out... yes, there are those who react by telling me I must have more boundaries.

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Katy Elphinstone

What they mean (when questioned) is boundaries against the needs of the few children...

... who come to talk to me, confide in me, get comfort in the form of physical presence, a pleasant environment, parallel play, warmth, food, etc.

I’ve started, sometimes quite hotly, to protest.

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No! I won’t have boundaries against the people who need me, those small ones, who have no one else to go to who’ll listen.

Who’re dependent and therefore trapped in their situation. They have to just take whatever they’re given.

"You can count me out of that one!” I yell. 🤬

Because if I can change even one or two people’s lives, in this way, I will.

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And the other way about?

Well. I can’t easily have boundaries against exploitation if those who’re doing it hold such power to punish me, if I do.

Though I'll do my darned best to! 😁

And I've found it helps to share & exchange thoughts with my comrades here.

💜

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@KatyElphinstone it might be related to the fact that you need new approaches in psychotherapy when you are dealing with people who have mental health problems because of climate change. no amount of "changing your own attitude" will help against the effect of seeing the world around you decline. so how do you go on?

@konosocio

Yes! It becomes rather a larger problem, doesn't it.. 🤔

@konosocio @KatyElphinstone
"Depression" from accurate understanding of facts is a trauma issue.

@HighlandLawyer

Very much so. The effect of trauma plus impotence, perhaps?

@konosocio

@KatyElphinstone Wow, this is enlightening.

I'm not in a superior power relationship with any humans ... but this reminds me of when I adopted my dog, who had severe separation anxiety. I literally couldn't leave her for five minutes or she'd cry, heartbreakingly, however long I was gone (the first time it was a couple hours, and I had no way to get back sooner) - convinced in her heart that she'd been abandoned yet again.

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@KatyElphinstone I live half an hour from anything, so it was EXTREMELY stressful for me. The only saving grace was that I'm retired and it was winter and not, for the most part, dangerously cold, so I could take her wherever I went and leave her in the car while I ran errands.

It was *extremely* stressful for me, and it was months of behavioral desensitization, and ultimately medication, before I could leave her more than an hour and a half.

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@KatyElphinstone My therapist and my coach both urged me to take her back to the pound, but there was no way on gods' green earth and seven hells that that was going to happen. She's a sentient being, a traumatized one at that, and no WAY was I going to abandon her (never mind what it would've done to my own abandonment issues).

It's not my right to have boundaries against someone so dependent on me. Which makes me think about who doesn't have the right to boundaries against *me.*

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@callisto

Oh my....what a story.... I am moved by this 💚😥 💜

And I love your concluding thought, too.

There are so.many of these sayings. All disregarding power differentials and lack of choice where it really matters (those more powerful).

Things like "giving away your power"...um..."you can't rescue anyone".... On and on.

It's wrong!!! It's not true!!! 😬

@callisto

When we found a jellyfish on the beach stranded maybe 200m from the sea, but alive, I emptied a shopper (we'd brought picnic) & levered it in using a plank I found at the tide line. My son helped me get it in and carry this..(it filled the whole bag!!)

The older men stood about telling me I was nuts, it couldn't be done. My sister went ahead to help us get over the rocks.

One guy, "it's nature you should just leave it."

Me, "well I'm just nature, too. Would you leave me dying" 🤷‍♀️

@callisto

It was beautiful seeing it... after a bit of stillness... wafting away once back in the water

(And yes I know they are a pest! But hey. So are we lol)

@KatyElphinstone They're so mystical looking anyway. I can see it in my head. :flan_hearts:

@KatyElphinstone Wow, I had no idea! (The original link worked btw)

@callisto

No, me neither ☺️

And when I went to read up about why they are pests, it turns out the main reason is because they end up - lots of them - going into nuclear power reactor cooling systems, causing them to be shut down.

So actually they are activists as well !!!!

@KatyElphinstone thank you for that. we've come to a similar conclusion. boundaries are important, but some of the ones society teaches are just an excuse for oppression.

@ireneista

I love it when other people here have had or are having same thoughts!

I wonder if there's some group synchronicity among us all... 🥰

@KatyElphinstone this topic was a few years ago for us, so not chronological synchronicity, but we do expect that similar experiences led to it

@ireneista

Yes. That is very likely. I'd love to hear more about you & your process there but only if you felt like sharing it of course ☺️

@KatyElphinstone we would like to tell that story, we've figured out how to, but maybe tomorrow when we're in the right mood :)

@ireneista

I will look forward to it but absolutely no pressure ☺️

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