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@KatyElphinstone Absolutely this (speaking also as a teacher who very rarely set homework!)
I wish @GreenRoc could've had you as a teacher, instead!
@KatyElphinstone @teadrinker Yeahh, thank you. I always hated homework, always had it, parents always had me doing homework before afternoon cartoons (which started before I got home from school) and I grew to asssume fun began when I turned 18, only to find out, I was supposed to have fun in childhood.
I wished for better teachers. I wished for 1v1 or homeschool. Never got either, so I suffered and forgot most of what was taught, as they went too fast and didnt repeat anything.
@GreenRoc @KatyElphinstone @teadrinker rarely have colleagues who don't just throw pieces of their knowledge at me, but really take time to explain.
@PossiblyAutistic I've always needed more time and more explaining with everything across my whole life... from the day I was born, to as recently as a few hours ago. More input please, with repeats on the super important pieces. I liked learning... it was always the other people (and the limited time) that made school miserable.
Edit to add: I do so strongly wish kids have a better experience than I. My school experience is not one I wish anyone repeat.
@GreenRoc @KatyElphinstone @teadrinker I always hated homework and also hated commuting, so I combined the 2 and did my homework on the bus. Can't remember anything I wrote, but can write neatly during erratic break maneuvers.
@GreenRoc @KatyElphinstone @teadrinker
In grade 1 and 2 I got awards for "academic achievement" because I already knew how to read. Then in grade 3 they started assigning homework, and suddenly my grades dropped. In grade 4 my teacher told my mother that she thought that I was "slow", but my mom knew better. So she had me assessed by a psychologist, the results of which were that I wasn't slow at all, but rather "gifted", my grades were low because I was bored. Of course they had no idea what to do with this so nothing improved and I just struggled the rest of my school days. (Actually it was spiky profile there: if I was interested in the material I did great, if not then...)
@murdoc Sounds familiar!
The same third grade I got depressed, I was also in advanced spelling (on paper, Halloween, Mississippi, Tennessee etc). But spelling bee, oof, the whole class laughed at me with my first word, which I failed. "Which" My deficits said W I C H cause speech continues to be horrid even now.
I wish I was put in gifted schools, no, they just dump me in special ed, and the only special thing about it was 8 students instead of 30.
7 too many.
@GreenRoc @KatyElphinstone @teadrinker
After my assessment, I was put alone in the "resource room", in an effort to give me more challenging material. That stuff was just more boring and I couldn't handle it so they had to put me back in normal classes. The fact that the other kids called it the "retard room" didn't exactly help my already stunted social life either.
Yeah, one on one probably would have been better, if it was with someone who understood me and gave me interesting things to learn (in grade 5 we started learning computers which I took to like a fish to water).
@murdoc Oh my gosh I feel so much the same! I felt like most of my classes across my school life were for someone else. So many classes felt lacking, but then, they go too fast.
My hearing lacked multi-channel receiving. If there was any noise anywhere (often bullies) I'd miss one word from the teacher and I'd be totally lost on what she was saying. I got put into hearing tests, beep ones, passed them all.
I still have filtering issues.
@KatyElphinstone @teadrinker
@murdoc Interesting topics I excelled, far above the scores than other students. Some teachers let me TEACH the class, as I was more knowledgeable on the topic (Epigenetics specifically).
Art class felt like I was Bob Ross being taught finger painting. It felt insulting.
I needed school for genius.
I got school for bad kids.
Half the students were SUPER bullies, the other half picked on.
Less targets for the bullies, so I got bullied BADLY. Like fire and gas.
@murdoc I remember one class I got as an eletive, one that I could have taken all the way to having a job.... but I got pulled out of it, because in the same grade I got spanish class, which I wanted, but I could not roll my r's to save my life, and I was bullied to the pint of my first head bash.
Got taken away to a mental hospital, taken out of drafting, dammit I love drawing and architecture. Later, PE detention gave me carpal tunnel via corporal punishment.
@murdoc And the way PE detention happened... I can fully blame the teacher. He tricked me on first week to run my fastest, and in the years FMS started showing up, I got detention every friday I didnt beat my best time... across four years.
Carpal tunnel showed up at about writing 3300 whatever number, multiplied by two each rule (he multiplied it every time I had detention) 2, 4, 8, 16... you get the idea.
I wish I had the social skills to sue his happy behind.
@murdoc So many horrible things I would write about, horrible! I try to refrain from so much chatter.
I'm reminded strongly about how I've read stories where autistics would hold it in all school day, then come home and scream.
Home: I was punished for screaming, punished for meltdowns. I hated myself, always in trouble, always trying to do right, felt like punishment was a normal part of school.
That wasn't normal. MOST of school was unsuitable.
I felt let down.
@GreenRoc @murdoc @KatyElphinstone @teadrinker That is child abuse.
@BernieDoesIt
I believe it is abuse of my child self indeed.
@GreenRoc @murdoc @KatyElphinstone @teadrinker I remember my school having me do the beeping tests and I passed them fine but the audiologist tried to speak to me quietly in a room that wasn't quiet and I couldn't understand what she said, so I went home with an APD diagnosis that day.
@BernieDoesIt Ahh at least they're learning, which is good. Takes time for people to learn things.
I never got the whisper across the room test. I wish I had.
My dad never stopped believing I was purposefully not listening. Him and that eye contact of his I shudder at the thought.
@GreenRoc It wasn't an official test. I just lucked out.
@BernieDoesIt Ohhh! one of those! I had one when I was getting my autism assessment, when the adult test didnt work. she tried something new. Testing me with child tests, something she decided to try out. And later wrote a thesis.
That was me. Oops.
I feel bad. But darn it if I could not understand what time of day it was in a black and white drawing. I need the color to know! Argh.
Thank you for sharing. I feel less alone with "not listening" shame that's probably APD (I have no dx).
@murdoc @GreenRoc @KatyElphinstone @teadrinker Same here, if the subject was interesting or the teacher was good at teaching their subject, I'd get good grades.
@KatyElphinstone @GreenRoc It's also the whole system you work within as a teacher, too. So much administration, all the standardised testing, all the regular assessments... it's a shame, because I really enjoyed the classroom and even the online teaching I've done since, but it's definitely the human connection and discussion I miss and not the setting/marking of homework!
@KatyElphinstone Agreed... as I am reminded of third grade, I was doing homework (and sent-home unfinished school work) to about 1am.
I was observed at that time of being depressed. Golly, is it no wonder why.
Yes, the quantity is nuts. It's almost as though we wanted the kids to be indentured, and without time to live their lives 
@KatyElphinstone Yeah, I forever remember that 1am fact of my third grade life. I remember almost none of what she taught... My mom wished she was retired from being a teacher.
I wish that teacher - and others who still do this - would read this!
@KatyElphinstone Awww I wish too.
@KatyElphinstone
Been there, done that; just had sports along with homework, practicing 5+ hours ... daily. And competitions on weekends. Did I manage to get through school with good grades? Yes. Would I do this again? Abso-fucking-lutely not (pardon my language).
These days I follow a strict work-life balance schedule and make sure I can squeeze fun times into every opportunity I get. Doesn't have to be wild, just enough so that I don't feel like a glorified slave.
@KatyElphinstone My job at school was avoiding doing any homework and just taking the detentions like a champ.
Never learned a damn thing from doing homework.
Learned plenty of the skills I'm using in my career by doing the things I was doing when I should have been doing my homework instead.
Good for you!!
@KatyElphinstone Sometimes I remember something I had in school that I'm not capable of providing for my kids and wonder if homeschooling them was the right decision, but then something like this reminds me how awful school is and how it gave me CPTSD and it steels my resolve to protect them from it.
Homework also assumes a normal home life. My school was the only quiet place I ever had.
@KatyElphinstone my country is an ex British colony. It basically has the British education system copy and pasted from the 1960s and never updated. I grew up with at least 5 hours of homework every day for the next day. Basically a kid would not really have much free time for other things. If you didn't do it, you'd get left behind.
This resulted in a society with two distinct social bubbles. An educated class and an uneducated one with very little overlap. Needless to say, it's far from ideal
Yes, that does indeed sound very far from ideal. 