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If there isn’t much cross-platform engagement between the #threadiverse and #mastodon, and Reddit migrants leave because of insufficient activity … is this a failure of sorts of the #fediverse ?
I’m leaning yes. If cross-platform activity is essentially irrelevant but more of a minor awkward perk at times then the fediverse doesn’t exist (yet) at the level of being a social media platform or space.
Instead, it’s a tool for FOSS platforms to scale through decentralisation.
@maegul@hachyderm.io @fediversenews@venera.social
If they leave because there is not much interaction between link-aggregator types of software (as Wikipedia calls it) and Mastodon software, then it is the failure of those software, not the #Fediverse.
Always remember, the fediverse is ALL software communicating through the #ActivityPub protocol. Mastodon is a software. Lemmy is a software. Kbin is a software.
If your question is about the fediverse, then I don't see how this applies:
I’m leaning yes. If cross-platform activity is essentially irrelevant but more of a minor awkward perk at times then the fediverse doesn’t exist (yet) at the level of being a social media platform or space.Because there is a lot of engagement happening in the fediverse network. It is not a “minor awkward perk at times”
You have to reshape your thinking about what the Fediverse is.
1. The Fediverse is not Mastodon. (That's like saying Asia is China.)
2. Mastodon is just one part of the Fediverse network. (Or, China is just one part of Asia.)
3. This so-called “threadiverse” is only one part of the Fediverse network, it is not a separate thing. (This usage of “threadiverse” is what's causing the confusion.)
4. There is no “mastoverse” or any “-verse” because they can all interoperate, engage, communicate, with each other through the ActivityPub protocol.
Your current thinking, if I may, is like this:
a. There is a yahooverse (ref: threadiverse).
b. And email (ref: fediverse) and gmail (ref: Mastodon) are interchangable.
c. And sometimes it can also be called gmailverse (ref: mastoverse).
There is no “insufficient activity” in the fediverse network. There are already some people who left who said there is too much noise, and it is so hard to keep up with everything.
If Reddit migrants leave because of a supposed “insufficient activity”, it probably is due to the software they are using. Maybe the software has a bug. Or, maybe the software chose not to show to the users how very active the fediverse is, and their only interaction with the fediverse is if someone replies to their “Thread”. (And as an aside, this is where Kbin wins because it shows the wider fediverse through its “microblog” feature/tab.)
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I hope it makes sense. It's hard to explain things if English is not not one's primary language, and with that I apologise if it was confusing or too wordy.
@youronlyone @fediversenews
Yea, not sure I entirely agree.
By "fediverse" I'm referring to the collective quality of the whole, however much any part is responsible.
I'm also presuming (accurately enough AFAICT) that interaction between mastodon users and #lemmy/#kbin is not high compared to interactions internal to #lemmy/#kbin.
Sure, the software has problems, but much of the attraction of the #threadiverse depends on the level of activity and number and size of communities.
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Part of the problem with getting a community based platform off of the ground is how to get sufficiently active communities. This is where the "fediverse" comes in. If the federation is a "killer feature", then arguably activity should spread across platforms and formats so that newer spaces and platforms become easier to seed over time.
You highlight that the problem is software not the protocol. I agree! But then ask what value the protocol provides.
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Generally, I'm probing at the possibility that too much is made of the protocol and not enough of the importance of getting the software right, not just specifically to a particular platform, but globally, in terms of the overall structures and designs of the platforms that are being built.
I think we might agree here somewhat.
Otherwise, you highlight that much activity occurs over the protocol. But that's between similar platforms. Lemmy<->Masto?
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Yuki (스노 雪亮) 
Again, that's because we have 10 million #Mastodon users who haven't even heard of #Lemmy, much less #kbin. They can't use what they don't even know exists.On top of these, we have at least 1.9 million Mastodon users who have at least heard of Lemmy, but who don't know that they can use their already existing Mastodon accounts to join Lemmy communities and /kbin magazines.
If you want more interaction between Mastodon and Lemmy, then people on Mastodon with gajillions of followers like Eugen Rochko, Greta Thunberg or George Takei would have to advertise Lemmy and its Mastodon compatibility and link to the Lemmy community browser once a week for at least half a year until everyone and their dog knows.
@jupiter_rowland oh or you can search for things like
!newcommunities@lemmy.world