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#selfdefense

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People in masks are kidnapping Americans off the street. Some of these people claim to be ICE agents--also problematic, because ICE's jurisdiction to do this is not established--but who the fuck knows? Random dudes in masks are grabbing people.

Also, people are being sent to hell-prison in another country with no due process, even when the US regime admits they have done nothing wrong.

Purely hypothetically (I am definitely not a person who would do any of this):

  1. Wondering what happens if someone getting snatched, or a helpful onlooker, pulls out a legally registered firearm and shoots the attacker, who is not identified as law enforcement in any way except verbally and who is not following anything remotely like due process for arrests.

  2. Wondering what happens if a bunch of ex-special forces folks or whatever stage a wild prison break in El Salvador and free a bunch of Americans or American residents. Of course El Salvador would get pissy but what would/could the US do? There was no legal basis for sending them there in the first place.

Overall, I'm just wondering what the legal/practical landscape is, now that our government is explicitly violating laws in ways that hurt innocent people. What happens if people legally fight back? What happens if people fight back in ways that aren't legal but are also arguably not illegal?

This whole thing is a can of all the fucking worms.

(Note: I know that the real answer to the first scenario is probably "ICE, the president, and cops come down on the person like a ton of bricks and neither Congress nor the courts will defend them even when they have behaved lawfully").

Yet more school shootings in the USA. Given other current events, I beg my fellow "liberals" to not reflexively call for gun control laws at this time, but instead for YOU to go purchase a semi-automatic rifle & pistol with detachable high-capacity magazines, & to take courses & spend range time practice for their safe handling. This is NOT a call for you to ever initiate any kind of violence, but rather to become capable of SELF DEFENSE.

Truly defending yourself from very real threats isn’t violent. It’s effective. And it’s more effective than non-violence.

open.substack.com/pub/planetcr #selfDefense #propertyDestruction #directAction #planetCritical

We should be learning to defend ourselves, not ask for permission. We should be cutting wires and slashing tires and blowing up pipelines. We should be exploding empty Teslas and flooding Mar-a-Lago.

Planet: Critical · Words Won't Cut ItBy Rachel Donald

REMINDER:

fascists do not consider any form of #protest as #peaceful.

Trump and the fascist MAGA, GOP, techbro, christofascist machine will find a way to call "violent" #HandsOff and any protests, because you are showing your disloyalty to them.

you don’t go to protests because they’re peaceful. you go as a first, collective step in defending ourselves from people who literally want us imprisoned, totured and dead.

protest is one of many tactics in collective #selfDefense. remember that.

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@Bronwyn Lots of articles on the Net regarding the use of force for #selfdefense

#PepperSpray is a not lethal weapon but you can not use a level of force greater than that used against you.

In practical terms, you cannot be legally justified to use pepper spray unless someone has committed an #assault &/or a #battery upon your person.

While battery requires someone to hit you with something -- hands &/or a weapon -- an assault does not.

"Assault is not limited to physical contact. Legally, it involves an intentional act creating a reasonable apprehension of imminent harmful or offensive contact. The perpetrator’s actions must be deliberate, and the victim must perceive an immediate threat."

See: legalclarity.org/is-pepper-spr

So, if you encounter someone somewhere where the perpetrator gave you a "reasonable apprehension of imminent harmful or offensive contact," feel free to use your pepper spray.

The same applies to the use of a #Taser which you should also consider carrying. Each has +'s & -'s.

LegalClarity · Is Pepper Spray Considered Assault in Legal Cases?Explore the legal implications of using pepper spray, including its classification in assault cases and potential criminal and civil consequences.